Capitalism: A Love Story

 
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Vrooman



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:33 am    Post subject: Capitalism: A Love Story Reply with quote

Watched it last night and found it to be another pretty well put together argument that this country spent the last three decades selling out democracy for corporate interests. Michael Moore can be melodramatic at times, but people losing their freaking house is just f'ing sad. He pulls no punches except those directed at Obama. I don't really know why Obama was spared skewering when he deserves his share simply for the financial fools he surrounded himself with. As a whole, this is some spooky stuff and am glad he made the movie and that it was well received. One of the most fascinating thing for me was the footage of a Jimmy Carter speech in the DVD extras.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll have to check it out (cuz I'm a balanced guy).

But yes, aren't there a bunch of Obama cronies that worked for Goldman Sachs, Freddy/Fanny, Soros ect...? Strange MM would not pay much attn to this. hmmmm....
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much money did the Capitalistic Michael Moore make on his movie critiquing Capitalism?
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Vrooman



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You didn't see the movie, did you?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I did not. I just found it ironic that people were shelling out 8-10 bucks to see a film that criticized capitalism from the wealthiest documentary filmmaker ever.
I assume Moore points out the same irony?
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Vrooman



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was critical of the brand of capitalism that comes at the expense of democracy. Movie going is a pretty democratic activity, so no, he does not point out the irony.
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Moore found footage of FDR's Second Bill of Rights address. What would FDR be labeled today?

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It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.

This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.”[2] People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.
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gurkin



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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a socialist
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He wouldn't be called a madman warmonger by MM, or impeached by his own party for developing the Nuclear Bomb & killing innocent civilian children?
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of people on the right were calling FDR a socialist in his day.
FDR was a very patrician, ruling class type guy, I think he was quick to realize though, that if he didn't toss some crumbs to the working class and middle class, the USA would have the same kind of social unrest as Germany, Russia, France, Spain etc. Even with his faults, I still think he was the best modern president and it's too bad he didn't live to run for another term and put in that second bill of rights. That kind of "social peace" is something most people in Europe and Japan take for granted to ensure the stability of society and not lead to a return of extremist politics and social strife.
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