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Ollie Stench



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:07 am    Post subject: The Great War Reply with quote

OK, Felix had mentioned starting a thread so here 'tis.

WWI - The Great War. What makes it so fascinating to me is the combination of it being the last "primitive" war, calvary, horses, swordfights, the idea of a "Noble Conflict", and at the same time the first technologically advanced war; machine guns, air and sea power, chemical warfare, tanks, etc.

In the spirit of the season here is a good article about one of the more well-known incidents of the early war years, the Christmas Truce.

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http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/christmastruce.htm


I have 2 books about this incident, "Silent Night"
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http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Night-Story-World-Christmas/dp/0452283671


and "Christmas Truce".
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http://www.amazon.com/Christmas-Truce-Western-December-Strategy/dp/0330390651



There was also a movie made last year in Germany, "Joyeux Noel", about it but I have yet to track down a copy.

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http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1787136,00.html
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard of that. Apparently some troops actually played football against each other and then went back to their trenches. Shooting resumed in the morning.
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Felix Havoc



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Great War is one of my favorite subjects.

I just had to return this book to the library without finishing it, but so far very thought provoking.

http://www.amazon.com/Pity-War-Explaining-World-I/dp/0465057128

I just finished a book about the British Empire and it's legacy by the same author. Pretty thought provoking even though I don't agree with everything.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colonol Potter fought in WWI. . . then he was back in Korea! On top of that, he had to put up with Hawkeye and Trapper's tom-foolery. . . .that's what I call (pardon the pun) a trooper.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a great website with a "guided tour" of over 100 paintings by great war artists. Otto Dix is my favorite, also Max Beckman. The war hit at a time of great intelectual ferment and youthful unrest. These artists capture the mix of horror and disllusion that came with the shock of war.

http://www.art-ww1.com/gb/visite.html

In the Great War artists and intellectuals often wound up serving in front line units. Hence these great artworks and the war poetry we are all so familiar with from English class. In the Second World War the armies deliberately placed these intellectuals in special units, like "offical war records" units and such. When the flower of European youth was cut down in the trenches many of it's emerging intellectual lights died along with the optimistic world view of the day. The effect the massacre of this brain trust had on the future of Europe is hard to calculate.
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Ollie Stench



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Felix that site is pretty cool, thanks for the link.

Here's one that Patti Rhodes sent me a few months back. I had never seen color photos before.

http://www.worldwaronecolorphotos.com/
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Felix Havoc



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's cool. There's been some really cool photos posted recently taken of Imperial Russia at the turn of the century. They were color separations for lithographs, but with digital technology they've been able to re assemble the different color plates into color photos.

Here's one of my favorite books about the Great War, Deaths Men. Gives a very good first hand account of live for the average British soldier in the first big call up of 1914 (the Kitchener armies)

http://www.amazon.ca/Deaths-Men-Denis-Winter/dp/0140168222
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good one to read right after that is Her Privates We, by Frederic Manning. Another good first hand account of the front lines by a British Soldier.
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Ollie Stench



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just grabbed a copy of "Zeppelins Over England" by Kenneth Poolman from the library. It looks to be pretty interesting, and exactly what you would think judging from the title.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were a couple of guys in the neighborhood I grew up in who had served in WW1 who were still alive when I was pretty young. Holy Christ but they were scary tough old men, most of the other vets gave them nothing but respect.
Those photos were amazing.
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Felix Havoc



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My great grandfather was in the Navy in the Great War. There was a photo of him on the wall in my grandma's Den. I asked her what he did in the war and she laughed and said "He played Sousaphone in the band" Her side of the family comes from Olney Il, and many of them played in Sousa's band. I guess the navy recruited them for THEIR band.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is it from the TC to KC? Drive down to the newly-opened "National WWI Museum" in KC.

It sounded really interesting on NPR last week:
"The museum is laden with memorabilia both historical and symbolic: a glass bridge crossing a field of 9,000 artificial poppy blooms, each one representing a thousand soldiers killed in World War I; simulated trenches with gas masks, weapons and helmets; and graphic archival footage of the collision of military tactics, machine guns, high-powered artillery and poison gas.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6572688

Here's its WWW site: http://www.libertymemorialmuseum.org/
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell I'll go, anyone else?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

War artist Otto Dix

wikipedia entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Dix

good site with gallery
http://www.mess.net/galleria/dix/



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Ollie Stench



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reverend Phil wrote:
Hell I'll go, anyone else?


I'm in. Lets plan for the spring!

When I was in England in '01 I made it a point to go to the Imperial War Museums, the air field in Duxford and the main one in London. The London museum had about 300 feet of recreated trench complete with the smell of gunpowder. I must have walked through that particular exhibit 5 times.
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