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Reverend Phil



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:07 am    Post subject: Ask the experts Reply with quote

Since I'm coming up w/ alot of questions for Ollie and Felix I thought I'd consolidate them into one thread.
Todays question, Is there African punk? I would assume that South Africa had punk bands at one point, and I seem to recall some band from Egypt, but I couldn't put a name or time frame to anything. What say ye?
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Felix Havoc



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

South Africa has had a scene since the 80's. It was very UK influenced and split more or less into a scene that followed Crass, Conflict, etc and another that was more into GBH, Exploited and that lot. There were several mid 80s South African HC records, Powerage had two 7"s, Riot Squad SA had a 7" also a band called Screamin Fetus. There was a slightly later band Surf Or Die who were a little more on the HC/skate tip with a 7" and and LP. Goran from Sweden's "Sound of Disasters" played on the LP. I didn't follow the SA scene much in the 90's but it developed into a typical hardcore scene with Straight Edge, Mosh, Punk, EMo whatever factions. I think Grindcore is also pretty big there. I haven't seen any SA vinyl in a long time, I don't really buy CDS so no idea what's going on for releases. I write to people from SA now and then, seems like there's a small scene but you don't hear much about bands touring there or bands being from there. Lots of SA punks move to London.

For the rest of Africa, there's never been any punk vinyl other than comp tracks on Luk Haas releases. A friend of mine was in Botswana a few years ago and said he'd just missed a metal show. According to Luk Haas reports in MRR there's not really any punk bands or scene in sub saharan Africa although there is some metal and hard rock.

Morocco has a big death metal scene, but I've never heard about hardcore bands from there. I wouldn't be surprised if they did have "hardcore" but it would sound like Sick of it All or Earth Crisis or something like that.

When I was in Israel I asked if anyone had ever heard of a scene in Egypt. No one had dug up any evidence, but I guess there was a punk radio show in Beruit (in french) for a while, but it's off the air.

Here's the Tien An Min 89 records website where you can read about Luk Haas who has travelled the world (he works for the UN) documenting underground music (mostly punk)

http://www.geocities.com/tam89rds/
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Felix Havoc



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the TAM 89 site, I guess he put out a 7" by a punk band from Madagascar and has a record coming up from a band from Kenya. Raging.
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Felonious



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't there a documentary about African Punk a couple years ago? Or was that about "Black Punk" in the US?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanx, I read some of Luk Haas' stuff about Cambodia and Thailand way back when.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Felonious wrote:
Wasn't there a documentary about African Punk a couple years ago? Or was that about "Black Punk" in the US?


"Afro-Punk", a doc about blacks in the US punk scene. I was at Half Price Books in Highland Park over the weekend and there was a used DVD of this for $10.

Wasn't there 1 SA band on the PEACE comp? I haven't owned that record since me and my high school girlfriend split up so I'm going off of 20+ year old memories.
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Felix Havoc



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The track on PEACE is just some Poems by a South African guy.

Here's the wiki entry on the Peace comp, excellent record

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.E.A.C.E./War
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magma90210



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think the ex has done records w/african musicians.

konono no. 1 is thumb piano music that sounds crazier than most punk.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question Du jour, Who was the first Russian punk band? Early bands in the Soviet scene? Any of them end up in the gulag? Little history?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The early eighties saw the rise of punk rock in Estonia. This rise could be described as back to the basics. Much like early Estonian rock music was a copy of the UK Top 10 back in the sixties, the new Estonian punk music was highly influenced by UK77 and UK82 raw punk rock. American bands were unreachable. And like rock music in the sixties punk rock was highly disliked by the Soviet authorities.

Gosh, thanks, Wikipedia. Rolling Eyes

"Vennaskond" is the only band really mentioned on the website, and it looks like they have quite an extensive discography, however, I get the feeling they were more of a punky "new romantic" type band.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not up on my Soviet punk. I know Felix has some Eastern European stuff, he did a show a few years ago that was Estonian, Polish, Russian, etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jOabRGipNk

Purgen and Tanzilit are pretty good snotty punk.
I must search out some downloads and/or records.
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Felix Havoc



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

check out grazhdanskaya oborona, cult Siberian Punk.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:34 am    Post subject: KFAI rules! Reply with quote

I was listening to heavy metal from India a few nights ago. Very interesting!
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