posted 03-27-2002 05:01 AM         

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Originally posted by Barabbas:
Coleman is going to win. We'll all be hearing a lot about Wellstone's two-terms-only pledge too.

-It's possible that will cost him, and as the current numbers stand, that COULD sway the election towards Coleman, but it's too early to tell what will happen, and if that will be a significant factor or not. On the other hand, if that's a consideration, then why won't Bush's interference in a state election not turn people off? Coleman's basically there because the White House called Pawlenty and told him not to run.

Why? Because Wellstone's a blowhard and the righties are mad about Mark Dayton buying his way in.

-Yeah, well they can bitch all they want about Dayton, but it's not like Republican politics aren't FULL of large amounts of money. However, you're right, they probably will bitch about it as they're big hypocrites to begin with.

Flyerguy will next explain how I'm wrong, but he's not going to change my opinion any more than I'm going to change his.

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-I'm not the one with the band that does D.O.A. covers either.

posted 03-27-2002 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Barabbas:
We'll all be hearing a lot about Wellstone's two-terms-only pledge too.

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posted 03-27-2002 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Clyde:
[B]Coleman's more dashing and the ladies love him, which is what it should all be about. <snip> [B]

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Icccchhhhh....that's one of the most revolting things I've ever read on this board! Coleman attractive?? (And I'm just not saying that because he's a Republican either. He would have been just as unattractive to me if he were still a Democrat.)

posted 03-27-2002 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Patti Pagan:
I dont think he's a blowhard

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posted 03-27-2002 02:25 PM            

First he grows his hair long and goes to Woodstock. Then he cuts his hair and becomes a straight-laced Democrat. Then he switches parties starts courting the Christian Right and anti-abortion groups. He even appears on the front cover of the "Pro-Family News", a scary fire-and-brimstone Christian newspaper. Then he loses to Jesse Ventura and tries to reinvent himself as a middle-of-the-road liberal Rpublican. Now he's trying to convince us that he's a typical Minnesotan who happens to love baseball.

posted 03-27-2002 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Barabbas:
I remember hearing a couple years ago that his collegues in the US senate voted him the second-biggest blowhard there. Don't remember who came in first.

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I was absent that day so I didn't get to vote but I think Strom came in first.

posted 03-27-2002 06:59 PM            

All I'm saying is that he takes better pictures than Wellstone (i.e, he irons his clothes and combs his hair every so often). If there are debates, Norm's sleazy charm and looks will beat Paul every time.

posted 03-28-2002 12:37 AM         

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Originally posted by 2fisted:
[B]NORM A POLITICAL OPPORTUNIST! OH MY GOOD B]

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YOU were the one who said in another thread that you liked Wellstone. One thing that's CLEARLY different about the 2: as near as I can tell, Wellstone has ALWAYS been a lefty/Democrat, whereas Norm USED to be a hippy Democrat, then decided to sell out, and go totally in the opposite direction.
He's already flip flopped on his position regarding oil drilling in Alaska. Why aren't you worked up about that? Beyond that, it really doesn't matter if Wellstone decides to run for another term, because unless the election is once again perverted by the Supreme Court, the voters will decide whether or not Wellstone goes or stays.

posted 03-28-2002 12:52 AM            

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Originally posted by flyerguyakatalkabout:
YOU were the one who said in another thread that you liked Wellstone. One thing that's CLEARLY different about the 2: as near as I can tell, Wellstone has ALWAYS been a lefty/Democrat, whereas Norm USED to be a hippy Democrat, then decided to sell out, and go totally in the opposite direction.
He's already flip flopped on his position regarding oil drilling in Alaska. Why aren't you worked up about that? Beyond that, it really doesn't matter if Wellstone decides to run for another term, because unless the election is once again perverted by the Supreme Court, the voters will decide whether or not Wellstone goes or stays.

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posted 03-28-2002 12:55 AM         

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Originally posted by Clyde:

If there are debates, Norm's sleazy charm and looks will beat Paul every time.

-It has to. His "agenda" won't care him, so his so-called "charm" is the only thing he has to "offer". Good point though, here's a
guy hand-picked by an administration who's own alledged "charm" is supposed to be appealing.

I voted for Wellstone in both his victories. In '90 I was young and liberal. In '96 I was younger than I am now, left leaning, & hated Boschwitz. Now I'm older & wiser, have left the left behind,

-Care to elaborate on that? That sounds pretty vague. Does that mean you're Green Party? Republican? What? It also sounds a bit like liberal guilt too.

& think Wellstone has become a fat cat that needs to get an afterlife as a fat cat lobbyist.

-"fat cat" in what way?

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posted 03-28-2002 01:07 AM         

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I Do! I just like Norm a bit more & his policies alot more.

-And what policies are we talking about here?
The policy he made of keeping the 25K he got from 1500 KSTP when he had his radio show there, the salary he pledged to charity before he changed his mind and said he needed it to help support his family because he apparently couldn't do it on the 80K or so he made as Mayor? The policy of having Randy Kelly as the new major, so Kelly can hush up what went on behind the scenes of Coleman's administation, from what people have told me who listen to that flamin' ass
liberal Jason Lewis' show?

& it isn't his fault he grew up.

-He grew up? When?

I may just point out how partisan he is, he & Jesse(Helms) have alot in common!

-Is that a good thing?

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posted 03-28-2002 01:26 AM         

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Originally posted by Clyde:

How a numbnut like Dayton got in when he speaks like an ignoramus is beyond me

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Did you happen to see the clip of Bush tonight on the PBS news? The one where he's talking about what needs to be done in the Middle East, his "tough talk" where he literally stops and goes "and, um" at least a couple times? Does that answer your question?

posted 03-28-2002 03:07 PM            

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posted 03-28-2002 04:57 PM         

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Originally posted by BIG MOUTH:
Okay just a minute, FLAMING ASS LIBERAL JASON LEWIS> WTF He bills himself as Minnesota,s mister right. PLEASE opinions are one thing but aren't they based in some sort of reality.

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One word: SARCASM!

posted 03-29-2002 04:56 PM            

The Supreme Court just ruled that its OK to evict an elderly woman from her apartment because her GRANDSON was smoking pot, on the grounds that old ladies are responsible for anything going on in their household, but SENATOR Gramms can't even control his own druggie son who steals cars and takes underage girls across state lines. Talk about a double-standard!

posted 03-29-2002 07:05 PM         

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Originally posted by 2fisted:
"I think it's time to move on"

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-To a 2faced lying stupid bitch like Coleman?
No thanks.

posted 03-29-2002 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by dadaduck:
Norm Coleman would do just about anything to get elected. Ever seen any photos of him during his hippie phase holding the megaphone?
The guy is a complete political opportunist.

First he grows his hair long and goes to Woodstock. Then he cuts his hair and becomes a straight-laced Democrat. Then he switches parties starts courting the Christian Right and anti-abortion groups. He even appears on the front cover of the "Pro-Family News", a scary fire-and-brimstone Christian newspaper. Then he loses to Jesse Ventura and tries to reinvent himself as a middle-of-the-road liberal Rpublican. Now he's trying to convince us that he's a typical Minnesotan who happens to love baseball.

What an asshole.

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Wow...We agree. Never thought that would happen. Put that in the bank son, you won't see another one of those for a while!

Fuck I hate slimy political opportunists, but I think Wellstone is one too, all this crap about 'the little guy' as the principal city in his home state became in the last twelve years one of the most expensive cities of its size in the country. Yeesh. But yeah, nothing beat the look on Normie-boys face when he got the tar whupped out of him by Jesse. Almost makes ya want Jesse to run for senate...just to see that look again.

But hey, I like the idea that some of the founding fathers had. Elected officials to receive no pay, just room and board. I know that wouldn't end the opportunity for getting rich by influence, but it would be one less carrot for people seeking office for their own purposes. Think about a volunteer Senate (still elected of course).
Full of people who just wanted to make the world better, cleaner, safer...instead of lining their friggin' pockets with OPM.
Ah, I can dream can't I?

But at the end of the day, I'll probably go for Coleman. I don't hold the term limit thing against Wellstone, (term limits are stupid and I think they violate free speech and suffrage positions, not too mention barring candidates by what amounts to monogenerational (?) corruption of blood) and I actually agree with some of his perspectives, especially on China relations. But I'll never forget when he said years ago "why are people complaining about thirty percent? we let them keep 70 percent." That to me shows a fundamental problem with Paulie's head i.e. 'You owe me your life because I didn't kill you' kind of philosophy. Yeesh, I'm not too comfy with that. Shit...I wish the rhythm chicken would come back from Germany and run. I like his attitude.

posted 03-29-2002 07:16 PM            

They say in New York that a republican is a democrat who got mugged

But my favorite has always been:
If you're a conservative under 30 you have no heart.
If you're a liberal over 30 you have no brain.

posted 03-29-2002 07:28 PM         

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Fuck I hate slimy political opportunists, but I think Wellstone is one too, all this crap about 'the little guy' as the principal city in his home state became in the last twelve years one of the most expensive cities of its size in the country. Yeesh.

-How's that HIS responsibility? That's more a local issue than anything,he supports affordable housing, and what the hell would Coleman gonna do about it? Absolutely NOTHING.

But hey, I like the idea that some of the founding fathers had. Elected officials to receive no pay, just room and board. I know that wouldn't end the opportunity for getting rich by influence, but it would be one less carrot for people seeking office for their own purposes.

-It would take the Republicans out of politics.

Think about a volunteer Senate (still elected of course).
Full of people who just wanted to make the world better, cleaner, safer...instead of lining their friggin' pockets with OPM.

-Then why vote for Coleman? He's only interested in bettering himself.

But at the end of the day, I'll probably go for Coleman. I don't hold the term limit thing against Wellstone, (term limits are stupid and I think they violate free speech and suffrage positions, not too mention barring candidates by what amounts to monogenerational (?) corruption of blood) and I actually agree with some of his perspectives, especially on China relations. But I'll never forget when he said years ago "why are people complaining about thirty percent? we let them keep 70 percent." That to me shows a fundamental problem with Paulie's head i.e. 'You owe me your life because I didn't kill you' kind of philosophy.

-So basically you're an economic Republican who wants lower taxes and doesn't care about anything else, like being pro-choice for example. Thanks for clarifying where you stand.

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posted 03-29-2002 07:36 PM         

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Originally posted by Aspirin:

But my favorite has always been:
If you're a conservative under 30 you have no heart.
If you're a liberal over 30 you have no brain.

-If you're over 30 and you claim you want politicians to act "better, cleaner,safer",
and then go out and vote for someone like Coleman, you're a damn fool.

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posted 03-29-2002 10:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Flyergu:
like being pro-choice for example. Thanks for clarifying where you stand.

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posted 03-30-2002 01:44 AM         

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Originally posted by 2fisted:
There it is again! It always comes down to abortion w/ you. Such a single issued guy...

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Look who's talking. You claim to like Wellstone, yet the only time I've read you talk about an issue you're for is the internet not being taxed. If you need more "issues", the fact that Wellstone tried to beat the pro-banking bankruptcy bill is something I like. He's for universal healthcare, affordable housing, not turning Social Security into the stock market,he helps homeless veterns out (where are the Republicans), and so forth. Basically, he helps out the little guy. Norm's just aping the "family values" thing, and being pro-business, which is where most of his campaign contributions come from, an Enron man in the making.

posted 03-30-2002 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Aspirin:
term limits are stupid and I think they violate free speech and suffrage positions

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posted 03-31-2002 12:29 PM            

I admit to a more conservative bent, but sometimes things do come down to single-issues. If there were a politician running who was in favor of all your philosophies, but was also a pederast, would you vote for them?

Well, in any case. I usually vote for more conservative candidates because while I know they don't care about me, I know they won't bother me. I'm sick of our country being flooded with bureaucrats and people who think they know whats best for us. Does Norm Coleman care about me? Hell no. He doesn't care whether I live or die. But I don't worry about him coming into my house and arresting me for smoking, or 'binge-drinking'. I don't fear him sending me to jail because my son and daughter have to share a room. I don't worry about him declaring me an unfit parent because I have a bottle of gin in my freezer, or because my son was late for school two days in a row or because I let him drink soda pop.

Republicans don't care about me? Good, they'll leave me the hell alone and won't try to run my life. Democrats care about me? I don't need their care. I don't want their scrutiny. (I also doubt the sincerity of a party which allows former KKK members in its ranks, see Robert Byrd, D-West Virginia)

The government that governs best, governs least. I think we can all take care of ourselves if we really try. Thats what got me into punk years ago. Wanting to live my own life, and not giving over to the man. Wanting to think for myself and suffer the consequences of my own decisions.