posted 08-04-2001 10:26 PM            

My photos are I believe from a show in the
Entry, date unknown. Nice lighting, huh?

Also, check out this old article from
the MN Daily...
http://www.daily.umn.edu/daily/gopher-archives/1991/09/16/Epic_explorations.txt

posted 08-06-2001 10:09 AM            

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Originally posted by larrybob:
Oh yeah, Freddy Votel has recently been drumming for the Cows.

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posted 08-29-2001 04:09 PM         

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Originally posted by zomzom:
......the endless noodling and meandering to nowhere "guitar solos"........

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Oy vey,
freddy from the tvbc and cows faction here (incidently to the administrators, what's with this "l'il punk",
big "punk" labeling bs - why not just brand people "hippie," "loser," "dork," too, amongst other write in choices of course - actually "artfag" would be good for me if you're to believe the opinion expressed above),
just stopped to check out this punk site - yikes!
after reading this quote and knowing who it came from, i have to admit
i couldn't help being taken aback for a few moments and decided to finally post.
obviously mr. zomzom has a problem with a band that doesn't readily stick to formulas, and actually tries new things. how many times did you ever see us anyway?, i'm not saying we didn't have bad shows, because we all would admit we did. so sorry if we didn't believe in setlists, or in all our songs being between 2 and 5 minutes long, we tried that in the beginning and that seemed limiting to us - big deal. "meandering to nowhere"? really!, i guess you're entitled to your opinion - just please don't even go near the grateful dead comparison, which is so off base, all that comment ever did for me was verify the fact that there are people in the local music scene that obviously refused to listen closer because it wasn't all bar chords and ranting. (incidentally, these are most likely the same people that prefer wire "pink flag" to the far and away superior "chairs missing" & "154" - more arty & self-indulgent to be sure, but some of the best music is - captain beefheart, miles davis, the fall....)

sorry i've droned on so long. Just wanted to state my case. i'm sure there'll be some
response to this from mr. zomzom, like how todd's a way better drummer than me (i think he's an excellent drummer myself truth be told, plus he's always been civil and nice when i see him around), or that norm was the best cows drummer (personally, i think kevin's brother sandris was, but hey, that's just me), so i will conclude by saying in the sage words of one mr. osterberg "all right dollface, go ahead and bore me" -
sorry,i always loved that line.

p.s. hope i "spelt" everything right as old zom's got a habit of calling attention to that, like it really matters
(like the clash) oops, tee hee -
also, i'm not a rocker or a mod, i don't believe in such labels much like one of my favorite personalities mr. john lydon of public image fame (who are really rather good except for some of their early
stuff which has really meandering guitar - ha ha).

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posted 08-29-2001 04:46 PM            

Way to go, painting everyone on this board with the broad Zom-brush. I've never heard of your band, and I'll ignore your pretentious ass any time. The mere fact that you had to mention the Grateful Dead comparisons implies that your band sucks. No decent band is EVER compared to the Dead, in any way.

posted 08-30-2001 03:45 AM            

It's good to see/hear from ya! F**k the creeps that haven't figgered it out yet, that's their problem!! People in the midwest are typically a-feared of freedom, that's all! My tapes of TVBC at the Walker prove that the only problem was editing...

The TVBC "thang" was like the local weeklies of the day trying to compare Miles Davis to Ornette Coleman...might as wll compare the Dave Matthews band to early Mercury Rev...

"Come to Zom-Zom's, a place to eat like it was built in one day, you can watch the humans trying to run..." (I think that says it all...)

posted 08-30-2001 08:54 AM         

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Originally posted by Reno:
Editing the shit out of postings that other people have replied to is bad form. I think we should try to keep things conversational, no matter how stupid, or hostile the conversation becomes.

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Hello again,
sorry about my initial rant yesterday and subsequent editing, but you felt i was
being condescending and i looked over what i had initially written and realized i got caught up in the heat of the moment -
as someone had dissed a good friend of mine,
and i felt it was unjustified -
most of what i said was very sarcastic
i cannot deny that but
thanks to your response (i'm HONESTLY not being sarcastic here) i thought i should retract some comments and restructure what i had written as it's hard to
convey one's tone of voice in print
(at least for me) - which if i could do it
would sound a lot like homer simpson.

anyway, it was DEFINITELY not my intention to be condescending, but i admit you found my weak spot and thought rather than completely cop out and delete the whole thing, i'd trim the extraneous bits that i thought might seem that way - if this was wrong of me than i hope you'll accept my apology. i will try to not be such a reactionary knucklehead in the future.

also, i wanted to put more than just the angry face message icon, but the system wouldn't let me, i think that might
have been part of this whole misunderstanding too.

posted 08-30-2001 09:19 AM         

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Originally posted by zomzom:
First of all Mr. Five, may I say that you are a phenomenal drummer, one of the best in the city, the midwest, and quite possibly anywhere. That said, the only comparisons I will make between you and Mr. Trainer are that you are both drummers of a high caliber. Apples and Oranges.
I just didn't like TVBC. Is that so evil? I hate repeating myself, but as I've said many, many times before in my years at TC Punk, it's just my opinion. I certainly don't have an axe to grind. How many times did I see TVBC? Probably 6 or so, enough for me to form an opinion. Nothing personal, I was just bored. Not with the drumming, but mostly the guitar playing. I'm sorry. I don't know if you never got any bad press, but this is just a bulletin board and you really shouldn't take one jackass's opinion so hard.
I love bands that try new things, that's why I got into prog-rock, punk-rock, electronic, etc. Obviously I like new things, why, I even like to think that some of the music I've played was not sticking to formulae.
I'm pleased that you're here, and I hope that my musical opinions will have no bearing on your perception of me as a human being.
Oh yeah, "154" ranks in my top 10 albums of all time.

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Thank you for responding, i just kinda
got off on a rant yesterday, i'm only
human afterall, thought i should stick
up for my pal, but soon realized that you
are indeed entitled to your opinion.
Thought i should mention too that "five" my goofy moniker on this board is from
"down in the park" by mr. n. as well -
you know, "down in the park with a friend
called "five" (i really liked his show last spring, even the bondage guitar player dude who looked like that mohawk guy from the plasmatics) - so how's that for bringing
it all back home.

posted 08-30-2001 09:26 AM            

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Originally posted by chain-wallet bitch:

"Come to Zom-Zom's, a place to eat like it was built in one day, you can watch the humans trying to run..." (I think that says it all...)

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"Not getting it"? or simply "Not liking it."?

posted 08-30-2001 10:16 AM            

Far from any commentary on musical superiority, the thing that I think a lot of folks haven't "figgered out" is the fact that all music need NOT be spun off the same trad and tired treadmill, where a display of chops is good enough to appease the masses.

Truth be told, I wasn't particularily crazy 'bout TVBC myself, as far as some of the music went, but in THEORY, I thought they were kind of ahead of their time. Mind you, all of my punk friends back then were pretty quick to dismiss anything that didn't kick off with a 4/4 beat, and were pretty quick to trash jazz , or anything remotely "out there", so even if I didn't like the music, I'd more often than not feel compelled to play devil's advocate by defending it. I was actually surprised that no one challenged my picks on the top punk albums thread for not being "punk", in that same respect, because in the day, that's just what people were telling me. In my hermit-like mind's eye view, I tend to think that just about anything can be viewed as punk in the right light, in terms of sheer attitude, and in whatever manner it might deviate from the norm, wherever those lines end up getting drawn.

posted 11-10-2001 08:03 AM         

I think TVBC was just one of those bands that you either love or hate. At the time, I remember being shocked/surprised by how some people just hated what you were doing, because I thought it was good music that was pushing at the borders.

You have to admit TVBC was a "feel" band. From show to show, most of your songs, especially "Ghandi" would be totally different from show to show. Some people aren't interested in that kind of ride.

posted 02-20-2002 05:06 PM            

Turf Club- TVBC
Big V's- Command Module