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Felix Havoc
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posted 11-15-2002 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Felix Havoc   Click Here to Email Felix Havoc     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
OK, I've been listening to a lot of late 80's crossover/metal core. While I don't necesarrily support mixing of punk and metal ethics and business practices, I do like some of the music. I would say though, that it takes great skill to successfully mix punk and metal. The vast majority of those who try, fail. Instead of good metal influence hardcore they just wind up playing bad metal.

My favorite at the moment is NYC's Crumbsuckers, their Life of Dreams LP is the hammer!

Next up would be Broken Bones, ex Discharge guitarist can do no wrong, Bonecrusher is my pick for most raging!

DR. Know, here's a band whos metal stuff was almost as good as their punk stuff, This Island Earth is the best but Wreckage in Flesh is surprisingly good given the cheesy cover.

English Dogs, another band equally great playing punk and metal, To the Ends of the Earth is my favorite, but Forward into Battle is pretty boss as well.

Ludichrist-Immaculate Deception, great thrash with hilarious lyrics, I think some of these dudes went on to become famous musicians or something.

Leeway-I still think the Enforcer Demo is the best!

Sacrilege-Behind the Realms of Madness is soo brutal. My favorite female vocals ever.

Varukers-One struggle one fight, last Varukers LP is metal as fuck, totally overshadowed by their punk stuff but a sick rager. Three of these guys went on to be in Sacrilege.

DRI-despite having the signature Crossover LP "crossover" I don't think these guys were very good at metal. Dealing With it is great, but the Crossover LP has only a few good songs.

Excel-So cal surf dudes playing wicked metal core, so cheesy it's great.

Corrosion of Conformity-Animosity is like a landmark LP of the crossover movement. But the later stuff like Technocracy and such I thought was pretty flat. Animosity could stand though as the best of the Crossover movement.

OK, that's off the top of my head, who else is into the sick sounds of the late 80's Crossover?

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Scotty
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posted 11-15-2002 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scotty   Click Here to Email Scotty     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I liked it at it's finest...Ludichrist. COC for sure. English Dogs I liked. I liked some of the later DRI stuff like "4 of a kind".

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mrhawkinson
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posted 11-15-2002 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mrhawkinson   Click Here to Email mrhawkinson     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I got that Crumbsuckers record in my late teens and still listen to it once in awhile. It was a huge influence on my guitar playing, to the point that I still enjoy playing instrumental metal at age 32.

Any crossover list is incomplete without The Accused. 'More Fun than an Open Casket Funeral' and 'Martha Splatterhead's Maddest Stories Ever Told' are classics.

'Force Fed' by Prong is another biggie. I can't believe what a weird, thin, intense sound they had on this album.

It's interesting how a lot of those bands seem to have followed a course like:

a) start out playing hardcore

b) develop "chops", write the fastest, most difficult and arguably most interesting songs of their career

c) buy better gear; run out of ideas; slow down; suck

I think this describes the path of COC, Prong, DRI, et. al.

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Jizzon
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posted 11-15-2002 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jizzon   Click Here to Email Jizzon     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
What about... ST? S! T! S! T!

They may not be punk in the least, but my favorite thrash metal band of all time is Exodus. Their live reunion album "Another Lesson In Violence" with Paul on vocals (R.I.P.) is the ultimate party album. "This next song is about a fish... It ain't about no gold fish, it ain't about no tunafish and it ain't about no trout... This song... is called... Par-ah-na-ah-ah-ah! Go! Go! Go! Go!" or something to that effect. Gold.

Oh yes, and then there's Nitro's "O.F.R." album. Ha. I was watching their videos in Extreme Noise. Punk as fuck.

And seriously, I'd consider Raw Power to be a crossover band. Definitely right up there in my books. But "Screams From The Gutter" predates the late 80's, so....

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I got 70000000 crabs
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posted 11-15-2002 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I got 70000000 crabs   Click Here to Email I got 70000000 crabs     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
The Crumbsuckers were my all time favorite band back in high school, and yes indeed Life Of Dreams kicks some major rump.
Hooray for the Accused also!!!!!!!

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Albert Fish
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posted 11-15-2002 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Albert Fish   Click Here to Email Albert Fish     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
yep. crumbsuckers, dri, coc (early stuff), and accused all rule. unlike the rest of the planet, i also like the later exploited stuff too. i don't care what anyone says: beat the bastards is a fucking good album. so there.

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Ollie Stench
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posted 11-15-2002 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ollie Stench   Click Here to Email Ollie Stench     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hey Felix, if you dig the Broken Bones / English Dogs style crossover you should check out the local band Ripsnorter. They're fave band is Broken Bones and it shows (in a good way) in their music.

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Albert Fish
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posted 11-15-2002 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Albert Fish   Click Here to Email Albert Fish     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
speaking of crumbsuckers, did anyone ever like pro-pain? i thought they were a little too middle-of-the-road metal. there was another metalish band call blitzspear way back when that was pretty good -- anyone else ever hear of them?

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I got 70000000 crabs
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posted 11-15-2002 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I got 70000000 crabs   Click Here to Email I got 70000000 crabs     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Cro-Mags Best Wishes also kicks some rumps in my mind, although I think I'm in the minority on this one.

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Felix Havoc
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posted 11-15-2002 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Felix Havoc   Click Here to Email Felix Havoc     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I certainly wouldn't consider Exodus to be crossover, pure thrash metal. Sucicidal Tendencies is a tough call, the first LP is pretty much hardcore. Join the Army I guess is Crossover and later stuff is just bad metal. As pointed out above they got better gear, more musical and lost their energy and ability to write catchy (as opposed to technical) songs.

I'm not fond of Exploited, Cro Mags, GBH or Agnostic Front's metal material. It all seems flat and contrived, very little fire or energy. Those bands just seemed to be jumping on the bandwagon. Note that all are back to playing hardcore or punk now.

Accused, yes that was quite an omission on my part. They are awesome. We opened for them in the Entry, but I was unfortunately too drunk to remember a damn thing except that we only got paid 20$. The first LP (second mix) is awesome and More Fun than and Open Casket Funeral is a rager as well. I love that shit like "buried alive"

And lets not forget Cryptic Slaughter, a little more metal but still pretty sick and hardcore influenced. And if you go the other direction I think Final Conflict is mostly hardcore but has some crossover appeal and were titanically boss in their day.

Raw Power, I mean don't you think Screams from the Gutter and Burning the Factory are hardcore? Maybe the later stuff is crossover. I don't know, this is like ST a tough call on the early stuff, seems to be mostly hardcore to me. I'll have to do some more research.

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I got 70000000 crabs
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posted 11-16-2002 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I got 70000000 crabs   Click Here to Email I got 70000000 crabs     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Its to bad you dont remember that show Felix. It was a most exceptionally bad ass event! Probably one of the best entry shows I have ever been to. Hip Hip Hooray for the Accused!

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Jizzon
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posted 11-16-2002 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jizzon   Click Here to Email Jizzon     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I'd even consider "Screams From The Gutter" to be crossover. Hardcore? Sure. Punk? As fuck. Crossover? Hell yeah. There are a shitload of metal solos and double kick pedal rolls throughout. I'm not exactly sure what the significance of the cow bell is, however.

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slug1969
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posted 11-18-2002 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for slug1969   Click Here to Email slug1969     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
The Accused were awsome crossover. "More fun then an Open Casket Funeral" had the best cover art too. Those guys skated as well.
I remember seeing Accused on their tour with another Seattle band named "Brotherhood" which were Straight Edge. That was awsome. The tour flyers for different shows had a skeletal hand with spiked bracelet clasping an athletic hand with an X on it. It was quite funny.

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Felix Havoc
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posted 11-18-2002 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Felix Havoc   Click Here to Email Felix Havoc     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
You win Raw Power and Sucidal's first LPs are "crossover" too many metallic leads to be pure hardcore. I'm moving them from the "hardcore" category to the "crossover" cataegory in my database.

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Jizzon
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posted 11-18-2002 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jizzon   Click Here to Email Jizzon     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I think I know where you were coming from in your initial comment. When I listen to Raw Power, I don't think "gee, this is a great crossover band". I always considered them to be hardcore punk. It's just that when I started thinking of bands to list in this thread, I took Raw Power into consideration, and when I broke their music down into components, I came to the conclusion they made the definition of crossover.

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XXXacto
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posted 11-23-2002 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for XXXacto   Click Here to Email XXXacto     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
i don't really know if the crumbsuckers LP comes with a lyric sheet normally, cuz mine doesn't, but in the song "trapped" he totally says "don't be a nerd" and that's pretty rad

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Noxious Bjorn
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posted 11-24-2002 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Noxious Bjorn   Click Here to Email Noxious Bjorn     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Yep. I'm down with broken bones and english dogs. The dogs are definitly in my top ten of favorite bands. To the ends of the earth is a great 12". I gotta say I think I like foward into battle better. Top song: Wall of Steel.

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Theo
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posted 11-24-2002 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Theo   Click Here to Email Theo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Ah this is a good thread, this is what i meant when i said i wanted new music in that thread a did a while back...thanks for the suggestions.

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