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Topic: Purple rain, purple rain!
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Laggard Punk Posts: 1087 Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 06-11-2001 07:13 PM
So, who remembers being around when this was filmed? Was anyone you know an extra? What was going on at First Ave around the time of filming? Did those dressing rooms and endless hallways really exist? It occured to me that this was filmed when HD and the Matts were at their peak. The two worlds could not have been any different.IP: Logged |
Vrooman Punk Posts: 588 Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-11-2001 07:17 PM
Went to school with a guy that was in The Time, Paul Peterson. He was mentioned in the Strib the other day cuz he's now working with Donny Osmond. If that ain't a 180 on the hipster scale.P.S. - I liked Purple Rain when it came out. Doesn't date too well tho. IP: Logged |
Laggard Punk Posts: 1087 Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 06-11-2001 07:25 PM
No, it did not age well, did it? I too liked it when it came out.IP: Logged |
Jzzz Punk Posts: 1784 Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 06-11-2001 09:39 PM
A bunch of us saw it when it came out and there is this one 4 second scene and everyone said, at the same time, "Palm Tree!" Closed the 1st Ave for about 6 weeks, Some people did get extra work, At least one even got bit player status. Before Prince it was like, "Dont you guys have that race there?" "No, thats in Indianapolis." IP: Logged |
Beving Punk Posts: 1926 Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-11-2001 10:51 PM
I was going to North high school at the time they were filming it. I remember some kids being let out because they were gonna be extras in the movie. I never went to any of the filmings but someone told me that when they filmed the crowd shots during the concert scenes all it was on stage was Prince and teh keyboard player (Mat Fink?)IP: Logged |
RC Punk Posts: 859 Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 06-12-2001 12:50 AM
I worked at First Avenue as a bar-back/bouncer prior to the movie being filmed. I did security during. First Avenue employees were given a chance to work for the Steven Fargnoli film company or find other employment. Extras were kept across the street at the World Theater until needed. Catering was done in the 7th Street Entry, no food for general extras or grunts. The old front bar (to the right of the stage) was drastically changed for the film. All the behind or backstage stuff is Hollyweird. A few punks made some cash as extras, including this guy Pat from Exmo-6-Desmo. Pat was a stand in for prince. After the filming was complete the club closed for a short period, many of the employees took their purple rain checks and dissolved into other jobs downtown. Zomzom, did you work there then? 1983? P.S. Ghoulian, welcome to TCPunk! IP: Logged |
Ghoulian Punk Posts: 557 Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 06-12-2001 03:14 AM
Hey, thanks RC! Gee, I'm probably gonna use up all my good stories within a week, but here goes...I didn't work on Purple Rain, but in 1982 I did work on the unreleased film that preceeded it. This was originally just going to be a simple concert film and Chuck Statler was hired as the director. I had worked as a grip/gopher on a few of Chuck's shoots so I got this gig too. We were filming Prince at (I think) the St Paul Civic Center. They were using multiple cameras and real film, not video, so that meant that every 10-15 minutes a fresh film magazine was needed for each camera. My job was to ferry an exposed magazine from a camera on the floor in the middle of the crowd, all the way to backstage. There a couple of guys did nothing but remove the exposed film from the magazines inside black bags, and put fresh film in. Then I would bring a fresh magazine back to the camera in the crowd. Fortunately one of the bouncers kind of adopted me, and blazed a trail thru the crowd each time. So, then the concert's over and we're done, right? Wrong! A few weeks later, I hear from Chuck that Prince has now decided to film some scenes to "frame" the concert sequences. For one scene, he wants a roomfull of dolls. So Chuck and I go to this nutty old doll collector's house to rent a roomfull of dolls. She's got a lot of 'em, all right, although she also has a wildly inflated idea of what they're worth. I don't collect dolls, but I do collect other stuff, and these were mostly pretty cheesy dolls. But anyway, Chuck worked out a deal with her and we scored the dolls. Then a couple of days later, the film crew heads out to Prince's house in Chanhassen, where the filming was going to take place. The house wasn't purple yet, it was just a fairly ordinary large suburban house, kind of sparsely furnished really -- but there was a grand piano in the living room in front of a mirrored wall. So we spend a few hours getting the props and equipment set up. The gaffer (electrician) decides to tap into Prince's power line ahead of the meter and get some free power. Then we took a break to eat before we started filming. In the early evening we're just getting started, about 8000 watts of lights get fired up, and then all of a sudden, pweeeenngg! All the lights go out. The power load was too much for Prince's transformer and completely fried it. We're way out in the sticks and it takes forever just to figure out who to contact, and by now it's getting a little late. We finally get a hold of the right guy and he says he'll send somebody out. So we've got time to kill, and for a while we sit around in the living room while Prince plays that grand piano. Finally the power guys get there, and luckily the gaffer remembered to remove his line tap so they didn't see what he was up to. They replace the transformer and leave. It's kind of late, but we decide to keep going and get at least something done. So we get started again, get stuff set up again, get those 8000 watts of lights fired up again, and then all of a sudden, pweeeenngg! All the lights go out AGAIN! The new transformer was fried too! So we have to go thru the whole mess again, and of course this time it's even later and the power company guys are not at all happy -- especially when they get to the house. This time the gaffer forgot to remove his line tap so they realized what he was doing. Boy were they pissed! Everything finally gets straightened out without too much bloodshed, but this time it's so late that we decide to bag it for the night and pull an all-nighter the next evening instead. Did we ever get any filming done? If so, why didn't the film ever come out? And how does Vanity 6 fit into the picture? These questions and more will be answered in my next post -- suspenseful, huh? Meanwhile, here's a Polaroid of Prince that I fished out of the trash at the shoot . It was just taken to check the light so you can only see his silhouette -- but it's him. Take my word for it! [This message has been edited by Ghoulian (edited 06-15-2001).] IP: Logged |
zomzom Punk Posts: 77342189 Registered: Mar 1920
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posted 06-12-2001 09:00 AM
I started working at 1st Ave right after the shooting ended. After the film was released, there were tourists coming to the club from all over the country, and the world even, to see "Prince's club". I would sometimes escort enthusiastic fans into the stinky interior and watch them as they realized the truth. "Where's the dressing room?" "You're standing in it". "This is it?" Yup. "But in the movie......" You try to explain to people that a movie isn't reality, but I suppose since there actually was a Prince, the line between fact and the film was blurry. All the dressing rooms and hallways were in Hollywood as far as I know. It was a horrible movie then, and it's even worse now. It was good for 1st Avenue though, and say what you will about Prince, I've seen him play in the Entry with just him and a guitar, and he really can rock. A few times he would just show up and use some bands gear and play. IP: Logged |
autopsygrrrl Punk Posts: 1050 Registered: May 2001
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posted 06-12-2001 10:47 AM
When I was away at college my other Minneapolis friend and I would watch Purple Rain when we were homesick. We'd fast forward to all the First Ave scenes and skip the "Dad, don't hurt mom!" parts. Of course we are too young to remember when downtown looked like that but you'll take what you can get when you live in South Bend, Indiana.IP: Logged |
Ghoulian Punk Posts: 557 Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 06-13-2001 11:09 PM
OK, here's the second half of the story I'm calling "Purple Ruin."After the disastrous first night of filming (or trying to), we all went home and slept thru the day and then regrouped again in the late afternoon and made another trek out to Prince's house in Chanhassen. This time the gaffer brought along a portable generator so we could avoid burning out Prince's transformer a 3rd time. Good idea! And I should say that, although his patience was sorely tested by other people's screw-ups, director Chuck Statler never lost his cool. He was always totally professional, even under the most trying conditions. It was a privilege to work with him. Anyway, we got out to the house and this time we actually did get some filming done! The main scene involved the aforementioned roomful of dolls and (surprise!) two women in lingerie. One of them, named Susan, shortly thereafter turned up in Vanity 6. I always thought this scene was the germ of Prince's whole Vanity 6 idea. I don't know who the other woman was -- as far as I know, she didn't show up in subsequent Prince projects, but I could be wrong about that. Oddly enough, Prince never discussed his concept of the film with me, but here's what I was able to glean from working on the scene: two women clad in lingerie spend most of their time in a roomful of dolls, pining for their lover (Prince, duh!) and awaiting his return from his far-flung wanderings. When he does finally show, he's cloaked in fog and an aura of mystery. After that, I have no specific knowledge... but presumably there was sex. So we're going to film the scene of Prince's return. Susan is supposed to crawl on her hands and knees over to the door, which then mysteriously opens as if by itself. An eerie fog wafts into the room and Prince is revealed standing in the doorway. To create the effect, a wall of paper was put up about 2 or 3 feet back from the door. Then a huge bank of lights was set up on the other side of the paper. (The paper was to diffuse the light.) In effect, this created a small closet with one paper wall, which had the proverbial 8000 watts of light on the other side. The picture of Prince in my previous post shows him standing in the doorway, with light shining thru the paper wall behind him. They wanted smoke drifting around when Prince walked in, and even curling out from under the closed door before it opened, so somebody had to get into that little closet and pump it full of smoke with a smoke machine. Now, even though it was supposed to be Prince on the other side of the door, for some reason he didn't care to get into this hot stuffy closet full of smoke. Guess what? I got the job. So I'm standing in this blindingly bright and blazing hot little room, pumping it full of (cancer-causing, no doubt) smoke. And all I can think of is, "Wow! I'm really making movies now!" I pump the closet full of smoke, Susan crawls over, the door slowly opens, and cut. We do that a half-dozen times or so, and finally Susan complains a little about having to crawl over to the door again and again. "Hey, baby, it's rock and roll," Prince says. I was really tempted to retort, "Well, why aren't YOU in here then?" -- but I restrained myself. And really, that was one of the few times that Prince made any sort of audible comment. Usually, if he had anything to say he would just speak quietly to Chuck. And most of the time he just observed what was going on. Even when the whole electrical disaster of the first night was going on, I never heard him complain. (Not to say he never did, but if he did he was discreet about it.) Prince was aloof, but not in an arrogant or mean-spirited way. He just seemed kind of self-involved and removed from the mundane details of what we were doing. He was no glad-hander, for sure, but I certainly didn't come away from the experience thinking he was a prick, either. (Unlike some others -- Steve Nieve comes immediately to mind.) We finally finished filming in the early morning, packed up, and headed home. Some time later, I was told that Warner Brothers had pulled the plug on the whole project -- supposedly because the concert footage wasn't that good. I heard that one problem was that Prince hadn't allowed the cameras out onstage, which limited the shots the camera operators could get. I also heard that supposedly one camera operator's footage was out of focus, but I don't know if that's true. In any case, the film was shelved. But then, a year or two later, Prince gave the world "Purple Rain." And then he gave it "Under the Cherry Moon." Oh, well... For your edification, I'm including a couple of Polaroids of Susan and the other lingerie-clad woman in the roomful of dolls. The pictures were taken just to check the lighting and they've deteriorated over the years, but I think you'll get the idea.
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MrsPeel Punk Posts: 2656 Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-14-2001 02:46 AM
Wow, what a great story! And the pix are super f'n cool looking!IP: Logged |
Clyde Punk Posts: 1271 Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-14-2001 11:07 AM
Aw, that shadowy picture ain't Prince, it's that guy who wears all white all the time in the winter and all black in the summer (or vice versa).IP: Logged |
Ghoulian Punk Posts: 557 Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 06-14-2001 01:47 PM
That guy wears white in the summer and black in the winter, but that's not a picture of him. It really is Prince -- look at how short he is!IP: Logged |
autopsygrrrl Punk Posts: 1050 Registered: May 2001
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posted 06-14-2001 02:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Clyde: Aw, that shadowy picture ain't Prince, it's that guy who wears all white all the time in the winter and all black in the summer (or vice versa).
That guy's annoying! I lost all respect when I found out that that those "artsy" wild curls are extensions... IP: Logged |
Yuck Foo Punk Posts: 1056 Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-14-2001 02:40 PM
That guy's name is Scott S_____, and he makes these miniatures for train sets, and dudes pay him huge amounts of money and come from all over the country. I'm pretty sure that's his story.IP: Logged |
mud Punk Posts: 148 Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-14-2001 02:48 PM
Yup, Scott S____. I was downtown for Halloween a couple years ago, and I busted a gut when I saw two people dressed as Scott S.: summer & winter. Then I really lost it when the real Scott S. walked by a few minutes later! If they had crossed paths, it would have been kinda like KISS meets the Phantom of the Park, where KISS fights KISS! IP: Logged |
molly coddle Punk Posts: 2546 Registered: May 2001
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posted 06-14-2001 03:51 PM
Hey! I was out that same Halloween. They were all at First Ave. There was an article in City Pages about him and his "art". But I swear that it was all Madonna art.......Mother of Christ Madonna, not the other one.I used to wait on Prince all the time before he was anything.......1979, 1980.......at Rudolphs. Boy, did he get the looks in his women's underwear with the Napoleon coats. And I don't think he had a phone, as he would spend all his time on the payphone, he never sat down. Then when he started to become known, he would actually order food, but I don't think I ever saw him eat. This is the only male who has ever made me feel large........and I was at that time on my sex-drugs-rock-and-roll diet and weighed about 100 lbs with my Winter coat on. IP: Logged |
Vrooman Punk Posts: 588 Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-14-2001 04:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by Yuck Foo: That guy's name is Scott S_____, and he makes these miniatures for train sets, and dudes pay him huge amounts of money and come from all over the country. I'm pretty sure that's his story.
Scott Sikens (sp?). Train sets? I thought he was an arteest. He must have money, I always see him watching the stock ticker in Strong Financial's skyway office. Always with the red leather shoes. IP: Logged |
RC Punk Posts: 859 Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 06-14-2001 05:19 PM
I judged Scott by looks alone for years until I met the guy. He's super smart, very talented, open minded and nice. Yuck was close...he makes the worlds best miniature trees for scale train sets. He also does traditional art. I was the bartender at a private showing of his work. He had me serve everybody Mint Julips to fuck with the Kenwood art scene. I applaud Scott for being who he is a doing what he wants, while getting tons of shit from people. He told me that he's gets fucked with all the time, people yell shit out car windows like "Elvis-Prince-Fag"Kind of sounds like the shit punkers got until you could buy your punk clothes at Daytons and get you pussy pierced at the mall. IP: Logged |
Clyde Punk Posts: 1271 Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-14-2001 05:37 PM
You can get your pussy pierced at the mall? Boy, am I out of touch!IP: Logged |
RC Punk Posts: 859 Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 06-14-2001 06:19 PM
Sure. They're everywhere! Just have Bonnie do a Google search. http://www.inkme.net/body.htm IP: Logged |
zomzom Punk Posts: 77342189 Registered: Mar 1920
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posted 06-14-2001 07:06 PM
Scott Seekins is cool. As long as I've lived here, he's stuck to his black in winter, white in summer outfits. It takes so much more guts to look like that than every over-pierced face tattooed green-haired jackass in this town put together. When someone has a genuinely original style, they always get shit. He likes fly-fishing as well.IP: Logged |
molly coddle Punk Posts: 2546 Registered: May 2001
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posted 06-14-2001 09:09 PM
Yeah! I love seeing him at Lake of the Isles fishing in his white suit, jacket and all.IP: Logged | |