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molly coddle
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posted 10-24-2002 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for molly coddle   Click Here to Email molly coddle     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
what was the history of when and how the club was started?

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Patti Pagan
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posted 10-24-2002 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Patti Pagan   Click Here to Email Patti Pagan     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
As you know, Ms. MC, there are people on this BB who actually *worked* there so I'll let them tell their stories. I can say though that "in August 1976, the Longhorn became the area's only full-time modern jazz club" according to my research. Its advs called it the "Longhorn Eating Emporium & Saloon" with a steakhouse menu & a "music room" on the second level hosting local artists (the late Bobby Peterson, Paul Lagos, et al.) as well as national jazz acts like Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers, Elvin Jones, Manfredo Fest... In the spring of 1977 it became Jay's Longhorn with advs. like: "Complete Lunch & Dinner Menu/LARGE GAME ROOM/Rock & Roll 7 Nights a week/Now Playing/Thumbs Up/Suicide Commandos/Harlot".
As you can tell, I'm deep into Longhorn history...of which you are a part!

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Beving
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posted 10-24-2002 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beving   Click Here to Email Beving     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I missed the longhorn by about 4 years... and I've always regretted it. Any history would be totally cool.

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danpeterson
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posted 10-24-2002 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for danpeterson     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I don't have any insider stories, and I too would be really interested in any memories from those who worked there, how the reins changed from Jay Berine to Hartley Frank, the change to Zoogie's, etc.

I can only tell you that I misspent a great deal of my youth there, starting in probably 1978 with Spitphire, a mostly female band which also at one time included Dan Rinaldi (sp?) of The Litter. They were doing Mott, Bowie and even Led Zep, paving the way for the 60's garage-rock covers of The Hypstrz, and The Suicide Commandos. I was there one night of the "Hypstrization" live recordings. I wasn't in town for some of the seminal nights down there (Blondie, Talking Heads) but then went on to see the Police (first van tour across the US), B-52's (ditto), Penetration, Pearl Harbor & the Explosions, Nikki and the Corvettes, Rachel Sweet, Charlie Burton, and more local acts than I can remember. Looking back, that list certainly looks more "new wave" than "punk." I probably saw Husker Du at The Longhorn, although I only have memories of Entry shows, Naked Raygun, Effigies were probably there.

Things I do remember: The wagon-wheel chandeliers, the cocktail lounge (separate from the music room, on the left as you came in), Tiger Night. That was new band Wednesday: stuff like Wilma & the Wilbers, The Brunettes, no cover, often with free tap beer for an hour early in the night. In the depths of my poverty I would buy a 6-pack of Special Ex, and keep going out to my car and sneaking bottles in.

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molly coddle
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posted 10-24-2002 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for molly coddle   Click Here to Email molly coddle     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
In the upstairs bar, that MsPagan found to have been a jazz bar, I remember red flocked, 60's lounge/type wallpaper.
I always assumed that the downstairs bar had, at one time, been a country/western bar due to the wagon-wheel lights and the steer-head silhouettes imprinted along the edge of the bar.

I was told that the change to Zoogies was from Hartly both being gay and not wanting to deal with bands.
I also remember being told that it was nearly impossible for bands to get paid from him at the end of the night.
My knowledge of this is only from word of mouth and I would not consider it accurate.

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crack up
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posted 10-24-2002 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crack up   Click Here to Email crack up     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote

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DEA
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posted 10-24-2002 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DEA   Click Here to Email DEA     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Reading that poster/hand bill, all that I can say is "Holy fucking shit."

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Laggard
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posted 10-24-2002 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Laggard   Click Here to Email Laggard     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DEA:
Reading that poster/hand bill, all that I can say is "Holy fucking shit."

I was thinking the same exact thing.

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RC
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posted 10-24-2002 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RC     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote

LB-ARCHIVES

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Finn McCool
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posted 10-25-2002 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Finn McCool   Click Here to Email Finn McCool     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DEA:
Reading that poster/hand bill, all that I can say is "Holy fucking shit."

Indeed. Check out those drink specials.

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Beving
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posted 10-25-2002 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beving   Click Here to Email Beving     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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that reads like my Jr high (80-82) record collection!

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billy
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posted 10-25-2002 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for billy   Click Here to Email billy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
fuck me.
stupid only 30 years old.
wow,that sounds wierd to say.

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Evil Angel
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posted 10-25-2002 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Evil Angel   Click Here to Email Evil Angel     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
That flyer is amazing! I want to hear stories about bands you saw or just hanging out with friends.

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MO
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posted 10-25-2002 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MO     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RC:

LB-ARCHIVES


L to R: ?, Babette ? (RIP?), Bob Stinson's ex (can't remember her name, Chris?), Arpad and Bob, right?

[This message has been edited by MO (edited 10-25-2002).]

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DipshitLucy
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posted 10-25-2002 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DipshitLucy   Click Here to Email DipshitLucy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Laggard:
I was thinking the same exact thing.


Gah! Me too!
Great new thread. Thanks MC. Keep the stories coming, kids!

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Felix Havoc
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posted 10-25-2002 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Felix Havoc   Click Here to Email Felix Havoc     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I have that Dylan hicks song "longhorn days" playing through my mind right now.

Anyway, I heard an apocryphal story from Mr. Mark Trehus that at a Ramones show at the longhorn the entire audience got on their knees and banged their heads on the floor during "suzy is a headbanger" IS this true? IF so it's one of the funniest things i've ever heard going down at a show.

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Jzzz
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posted 10-25-2002 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jzzz   Click Here to Email Jzzz     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MO:
L to R:

That might Nancy Diamond on the far left.
Or it might be Julie Baustert.
You tell me, it's been a number of years.
(Thanks for the QC Tin)

[This message has been edited by Jzzz (edited 10-28-2002).]

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The Artful Dodger
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posted 10-25-2002 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Artful Dodger   Click Here to Email The Artful Dodger     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Ha!
Great story!

Yeah, The Longhorn seemed to have been at the center of a lot of weirdness.. as well as Shawn & Danny!

I remember seeing Lili Tomlin there at some show or another.

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tinman
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posted 10-28-2002 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tinman     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
most of my trips to the longhorn were drunken, drug-addled adventures,
but some things i do remember:
swilling the green death.
doing the pogo.
more than one fight.
watching the talking heads from my perch on the end of the bar(about 4' from tina)
how creepy hartley frank was.
the new psychonauts playing mannequins drink 3.2 and walk on water.
the batson brothers in chairs on the dance floor at the sparsely attended dead boys show.
standing by the cig machine. trying to pickup girls.
nick rock doing the worm on the glass covered floor,
followed up by a head butt to the lit-up, animated beer (hamms?) sign.
boris the spider.burn it down. real cool.
linda lights.
smoking pot up on the top level of the parking lot and
looking over the edge to see a couple coupling in the alley below (who seemed to enjoy our jeering).
stealing some letters off the "commit suicide" marquee (still have 'em).

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zomzom
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posted 10-28-2002 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zomzom   Click Here to Email zomzom     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
My favorite memory is heckling Shawn, (the gentleman pictured on the index page of TCPUNK) as he sang with his band The Dads.
A bunch of us college students took a road trip from Eau Claire to see The Suburbs, and were drunk by the time we got to the Longhorn.
He made me go up to the stage to show everyone my home-made tiger-stripe pants, which I gleefully did. They went nicely with my pink blouse, torn up and safety-pinned back together.

By the time my band played there, it was Zoogies, we played our first show in Minneapolis with The Vendettas. I remember seeing rockabilly band Stagger Lee, with Pat Morley (Loud Fast Rules) doing stand-up drumming.
We had no idea that it had become a gay bar, so imagine me in my King's Road bondage outfit, complete with goopy spiky hair and eyeliner going into the men's room. I was wondering why it was full of men in dresses...

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molly coddle
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posted 10-28-2002 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for molly coddle   Click Here to Email molly coddle     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I have nothing really to add that I haven't already said other places.
but here goes anyway.
-used to go there after getting cut for the night at Rudolphs. we (other coworkers and I) would already have a start on our buzz from drinking red wine in coffee cups that we took from the bar.
-saw The Plasmatics, interesting show, but somehow I ended up kissing and groping with some guy who was gay and a fight started with his new boyfriend because of this
-running back and forth between the Longhorn and the Entry, which had just opened, with my drinking buddy, Kimberly Burns (I have no idea where she is now, last I heard she was in Texas), getting our drinks in between at Moby's.
-seeing The Dad's as often as I could because I had a stupid crush on Sean. Seemed like they played alot in the upstairs bar.
-seeing The Suburbs for the first time and my friend telling me that I had to shout for them to play "Baby Heartbeat" and "Chemistry Set"
-drinking shots with Pogo and then sharing a cab with him, usually having to pull him out of the cab before he was beaten up by the driver after insulting the driver's music and general way of life.

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RipVanWinkle
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posted 11-15-2002 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RipVanWinkle   Click Here to Email RipVanWinkle     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote

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Finn McCool
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posted 11-15-2002 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Finn McCool   Click Here to Email Finn McCool     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
What's with the 88 cents thing?

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danpeterson
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posted 11-15-2002 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for danpeterson     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I don't remember the 88 cent thing, but state sales tax was 4% then, which would have rounded it up to the dollar.

Hey, I was at that Devil Dogs show - and Robin Lane.

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sonicfreak
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posted 11-15-2002 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sonicfreak   Click Here to Email sonicfreak     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
The only time I was ever there was after it changed to Zoogies. I went to see the Plasmatics (Molly, was this the same show you were at?) I was underage and did my typical "my drivers license was suspended" thing. The doorman didn't want to hear it but I was very persistant (I got into First Ave/7th Street/Duffy's countless times doing this!! Can't believe the doorpeople always fell for it! These days I bet it wouldn't work!) Anyway, he got sick of me so he went to the office and this fat dude waddled out (who I later found out was Hartley Frank) and said "who ya got?" The dude pointed at me, Hartley looked me up and down and said "Let em in!" So I got to see Wendy O smear shaving cream over her duct taped nipples and saw a TV set in half during the Late Show with Tom Snyder. Good times!

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posted 12-03-2002 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crack up   Click Here to Email crack up     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
from an article by Tim Holmes--NYRocker 7/78

(Eddie Money at the Longhorn? woohoo.)

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Ghoulian
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posted 12-03-2002 04:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ghoulian   Click Here to Email Ghoulian     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
The Longhorn was the greatest, especially in the early days. There was no cover, drink prices weren't bad, and it was 2-for-1 till about 8 PM, so it was actually a pretty cheap night out. Before it became a victim of its own success, it was almost like a private club. The musicians and a lot of the audience were friends. More often than not, after the bar closed everybody would go to a party at somebody's house. The 1st time Talking Heads played there (October 1977), Jim Fenn invited them to the party at his house. We were all stunned when they actually showed up!

The Longhorn was a real "scene," in a way that I haven't experienced since. The people were intelligent, interesting characters -- with a sense of humor about it all. Later on, when people seemed to be trying to prove how "punk" they were, it wasn't nearly as much fun.

When national acts played there, they'd often set up chairs on most of the dance floor. The 2nd time Talking Heads played there (spring 1978), I was watching the Suburbs, the opening act, when this guy sat down right in front of me. He really looked like David Byrne but nobody else seemed to notice him, so at first I figured I must be wrong. Finally I tapped him on the shoulder and said, "Excuse me, are you David Byrne?" He said he was, and I told him I liked his music, blah, blah, blah. Then I asked him how he liked the Suburbs, and he said he thought they were pretty good. I told him that they had just released their first record (the red vinyl EP on Twin/Tone). I found out later that David Byrne bought the Suburbs' EP at Oar Folk the next day!

And people actually danced at the Longhorn. I was probably in better condition then than at any other time in my life because I used to dance my ass off night after night. Dancing to bands like the Suicide Commandos and the Suburbs was damn strenuous exercise!

But nothing lasts forever. I realized things weren't the same anymore one night when I went into the men's room and saw that someone had smashed one of the sinks. So very "punk."

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owen
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posted 12-03-2002 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for owen   Click Here to Email owen     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Wow am I jealous. Great stories folks.

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DipshitLucy
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posted 12-03-2002 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DipshitLucy   Click Here to Email DipshitLucy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I agree. I love these old stories. To me, this is what TCPunk is all about!

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RQuelder
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posted 12-14-2002 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RQuelder     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
OK, so it took me awhile to discover this thread. Great stories!

My god - one of the flyers mentions a band I was in - The Situation - but I had been kicked out by the time they played Zoogies. My friend who was still in the band said that they were heckled at first - "Get off the stage!", but then people started dancing.

My experience with the Longhorn, which I'm pretty sure was Zoogies by the time I ever made it in there, was on new band night, which as this thread reminded me was called Tiger Night. I was 16 or 17 years old and playing drums in a band called A Blaze Of Glory. We played Tiger night three times. That's the way it was back then. You played three Wednesdays in a row. The first Wed, you'd go on first, the second Wed you'd do the middle slot and the third Wed you'd headline. I can't remember the other bands but I do remember Hartley Frank screaming at one of them for being all underage. He was a guy you didn't want to get anywhere near.

I think A Blaze of Glory might have played once or twice on normal nights.

I remember reading once that Bill Batson said his greatest regret in life was not punching Hartley Frank. And Ernie's greatest regret was not letting Bill punch Hartley Frank.

A Blaze of Glory was put on "the permanent guest list" by a booker there that liked us. I used this as an excuse to get in when I was underage. I would go there (all the way from Lino Lakes) and say I had forgotten my drivers license or some such thing and tell them I was I on the permanent guest list. And that got me in. There was a doorman that recognized me and I was always happy when he was working. I remember how unhappy he looked when the bar converted to a gay bar. He got a job at Duffy's soon thereafter.

I did my guest list trick 6 or 7 times, and I think most of those times, I saw L73. Never saw any of the big shows there. One time, I went to see "The Pop" (Arista new wave band) and they had cancelled and L73 was playing.

Like Zom, I had no idea when the bar changed over to a gay bar. I realized something was up when I went into the main room and there were male strippers on stage. They still had punk/new wave bands on upstairs. The bar closed soon after that. The place was packed too. It must have been too little too late.

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